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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://ianmurdock.com/cloud/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-paying-customer-in-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-628</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google seems to be focusing the direction of their non-search solutions on tacit interactions between Google users in addition to the individualized, a la Yahoo portal, content. Taken to its logical conclusion, Google will probably end up acquiring or copycating something like iRadeon&#039;s AppPortal, facing on-demand software vendors like Netsuite and Salesforce head on with an eye towards integrating intra-company search (and, of course, AdWord$) into the application mix. The implications of this strategic approach should be fairly scary for companies like Salesforce--ie, what if Google can pull off the same functionality but not charge any subscriber fees, simply making money off AdWords clicks? It&#039;s quite possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google seems to be focusing the direction of their non-search solutions on tacit interactions between Google users in addition to the individualized, a la Yahoo portal, content. Taken to its logical conclusion, Google will probably end up acquiring or copycating something like iRadeon&#8217;s AppPortal, facing on-demand software vendors like Netsuite and Salesforce head on with an eye towards integrating intra-company search (and, of course, AdWord$) into the application mix. The implications of this strategic approach should be fairly scary for companies like Salesforce&#8211;ie, what if Google can pull off the same functionality but not charge any subscriber fees, simply making money off AdWords clicks? It&#8217;s quite possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Murdock</title>
		<link>http://ianmurdock.com/cloud/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-paying-customer-in-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-622</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Murdock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 01:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re not talking about &quot;five nines&quot; here---we&#039;re talking about accounts disappearing or becoming inaccessible. There&#039;s a big difference. -ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re not talking about &#8220;five nines&#8221; here&#8212;we&#8217;re talking about accounts disappearing or becoming inaccessible. There&#8217;s a big difference. -ian</p>
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		<title>By: Paul McGarry</title>
		<link>http://ianmurdock.com/cloud/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-paying-customer-in-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul McGarry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 01:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps advertising actually creates an incentive to provide a quality of service that good (enough) for the average joe.

I&#039;d have thought that the average user would probably simply &#039;wear&#039; 5 minutes of downtime from a for pay email provider and it would cost the provider nothing. At least in the advertising model it would also cost the provider 5 minutes worth of advertising revenue.

I suppose there would be a &#039;premium&#039; market that would desire a high degree of surety and be prepared to pay for it but I&#039;d expect that to be a relatively small part of the market.

For 99% of people I&#039;d expect Google&#039;s backups are going to be far more rigorous than if they were keeping their mail on their home PCs. To conclude that &quot;advertising supported software-as-a-service is dead in the water&quot; is silly because 99% of people don&#039;t need such a high level of surety and as with pretty much any advertising supported product it is designed for the masses, not those with special needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps advertising actually creates an incentive to provide a quality of service that good (enough) for the average joe.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have thought that the average user would probably simply &#8216;wear&#8217; 5 minutes of downtime from a for pay email provider and it would cost the provider nothing. At least in the advertising model it would also cost the provider 5 minutes worth of advertising revenue.</p>
<p>I suppose there would be a &#8216;premium&#8217; market that would desire a high degree of surety and be prepared to pay for it but I&#8217;d expect that to be a relatively small part of the market.</p>
<p>For 99% of people I&#8217;d expect Google&#8217;s backups are going to be far more rigorous than if they were keeping their mail on their home PCs. To conclude that &#8220;advertising supported software-as-a-service is dead in the water&#8221; is silly because 99% of people don&#8217;t need such a high level of surety and as with pretty much any advertising supported product it is designed for the masses, not those with special needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Murdock</title>
		<link>http://ianmurdock.com/cloud/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-paying-customer-in-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-617</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Murdock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Who says a contractual agreement has to involve a exchange of money upfront? Indeed, when I got my Google account, I entered into a contractual agreement of sorts with them. Problem is, the current agreement says, in effect, &quot;We reserve the right to lose your data etc.&quot; Unless and until that changes, advertising supported software-as-a-service is dead in the water.

-ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Who says a contractual agreement has to involve a exchange of money upfront? Indeed, when I got my Google account, I entered into a contractual agreement of sorts with them. Problem is, the current agreement says, in effect, &#8220;We reserve the right to lose your data etc.&#8221; Unless and until that changes, advertising supported software-as-a-service is dead in the water.</p>
<p>-ian</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Murdock</title>
		<link>http://ianmurdock.com/cloud/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-paying-customer-in-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-616</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Murdock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,

Very interesting idea..

-ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>Very interesting idea..</p>
<p>-ian</p>
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		<title>By: John Schofield</title>
		<link>http://ianmurdock.com/cloud/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-paying-customer-in-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-613</link>
		<dc:creator>John Schofield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason *paying* for an online service is different than using an advertising support service, **even if the amount of income derived by the service is equal** is that, as a paying customer, you have a contractual agreement in place with the provider. You don&#039;t have that on an advertising-supported service, and thus, bad things can happen and you have no recourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason *paying* for an online service is different than using an advertising support service, **even if the amount of income derived by the service is equal** is that, as a paying customer, you have a contractual agreement in place with the provider. You don&#8217;t have that on an advertising-supported service, and thus, bad things can happen and you have no recourse.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Marti</title>
		<link>http://ianmurdock.com/cloud/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-paying-customer-in-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-610</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Marti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about a &quot;Give away the application, sell the backups&quot; model?  If you pay, you get access to an rsync server.  The app hoster wouldn&#039;t have to offer this service at the retail level -- a customer could go to your local computer store and buy a boxed backup product that doesn&#039;t just back up the local files, but is also bundled with keys to the popular ASP applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about a &#8220;Give away the application, sell the backups&#8221; model?  If you pay, you get access to an rsync server.  The app hoster wouldn&#8217;t have to offer this service at the retail level &#8212; a customer could go to your local computer store and buy a boxed backup product that doesn&#8217;t just back up the local files, but is also bundled with keys to the popular ASP applications.</p>
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		<title>By: George Wright</title>
		<link>http://ianmurdock.com/cloud/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-paying-customer-in-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-609</link>
		<dc:creator>George Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hiya

There&#039;s a difference between the 2 models you mention. If your free-to-view ad-supported TV network goes off air during &#039;Lost&#039; - you get no comeback

If your PPV TV operator&#039;s systems go down during a film you&#039;ve paid for, I&#039;d assume they&#039;d either refund your money, or let you start the viewing again

I think this is the same with the pay-for Web services model. I *still* wouldn&#039;t trust someone else with my data (what if they lose all my mail? How my compensation would one get) - but I&#039;d imagine they&#039;d at least *try* to make it up. With a free Web app, you&#039;d get nowt.

Just my 2ps worth

Regards

George</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiya</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a difference between the 2 models you mention. If your free-to-view ad-supported TV network goes off air during &#8216;Lost&#8217; &#8211; you get no comeback</p>
<p>If your PPV TV operator&#8217;s systems go down during a film you&#8217;ve paid for, I&#8217;d assume they&#8217;d either refund your money, or let you start the viewing again</p>
<p>I think this is the same with the pay-for Web services model. I *still* wouldn&#8217;t trust someone else with my data (what if they lose all my mail? How my compensation would one get) &#8211; but I&#8217;d imagine they&#8217;d at least *try* to make it up. With a free Web app, you&#8217;d get nowt.</p>
<p>Just my 2ps worth</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>George</p>
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		<title>By: Emmanuel Seyman</title>
		<link>http://ianmurdock.com/cloud/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-paying-customer-in-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator>Emmanuel Seyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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