Comments on: Dunc Tank, Debian, and leadership http://ianmurdock.com/debian/dunc-tank-debian-and-leadership/ on emerging platforms and the power of aggregation and integration Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:28:31 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Np237 http://ianmurdock.com/debian/dunc-tank-debian-and-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-885 Np237 Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:13:16 +0000 http://ianmurdock.com/?p=358#comment-885 "Small but extremely vocal corner of the community", "mob of the few that often paralyzes these kinds of projects"... Your words are harsh but the reality is otherwise. What I see is an extremely *active* part of the Debian community complaining. But well, it just looks like you're deliberately omitting all arguments that were given, because after all they were given by a mob of communists who don't want the project to be taken seriously by "the enterprise" (what enterprise?) and who see money as something disgusting they should never touch. “Small but extremely vocal corner of the community”, “mob of the few that often paralyzes these kinds of projects”… Your words are harsh but the reality is otherwise. What I see is an extremely *active* part of the Debian community complaining.

But well, it just looks like you’re deliberately omitting all arguments that were given, because after all they were given by a mob of communists who don’t want the project to be taken seriously by “the enterprise” (what enterprise?) and who see money as something disgusting they should never touch.

]]> By: simen http://ianmurdock.com/debian/dunc-tank-debian-and-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-841 simen Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:00:14 +0000 http://ianmurdock.com/?p=358#comment-841 Easy on the generalizations, trey :) Complaining about Dunc-Tank doesn't necessarily make someone "[a] jealous [type] who would rather be lazy" etc. Consider for instance Martin Schulze 'going on strike' with Debian Weekly News. In my humble opinion (me being a normal, interested user with very little technical understanding) it would be a serious loss to the community if DWN doesn't get up and going again when the dust settles. And even though I think most of us agree that funding is a Good Thing, I can see what the sceptics are coming at. Towns seems to be riding two horses at the same time, and for that reason, a lot of people (users, media, developers) perceive Dunc-Tank as Debian's "official" funding project. The critic's point, to my understanding, is that _Debian_ should be careful not to employ the means of a commercial distro. Agree or disagree. Personally, I agree with that principle; it's part of what makes Debian great. That being said, I've just glanced at the flame wars. I certainly don't think more flames are what we need right now. Easy on the generalizations, trey :) Complaining about Dunc-Tank doesn’t necessarily make someone “[a] jealous [type] who would rather be lazy” etc. Consider for instance Martin Schulze ‘going on strike’ with Debian Weekly News. In my humble opinion (me being a normal, interested user with very little technical understanding) it would be a serious loss to the community if DWN doesn’t get up and going again when the dust settles.

And even though I think most of us agree that funding is a Good Thing, I can see what the sceptics are coming at. Towns seems to be riding two horses at the same time, and for that reason, a lot of people (users, media, developers) perceive Dunc-Tank as Debian’s “official” funding project.

The critic’s point, to my understanding, is that _Debian_ should be careful not to employ the means of a commercial distro. Agree or disagree. Personally, I agree with that principle; it’s part of what makes Debian great. That being said, I’ve just glanced at the flame wars. I certainly don’t think more flames are what we need right now.

]]> By: trey http://ianmurdock.com/debian/dunc-tank-debian-and-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-826 trey Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:07:14 +0000 http://ianmurdock.com/?p=358#comment-826 The only thing those vocal people drove me away from was reading planet.debian.org. I can handle the memes, but having to wake up reading the all the bickering reminds me of being in grade school. It's surely not going to drive me away from the one true universal operating system. There will always be the jealous types who would rather be lazy and let things happen to them instead of taking action and accountability. I don't think it's the infighting that makes the enterprise not accept Debian as much as others... I think that relates to available professional support, not having many options. The only thing those vocal people drove me away from was reading planet.debian.org. I can handle the memes, but having to wake up reading the all the bickering reminds me of being in grade school. It’s surely not going to drive me away from the one true universal operating system. There will always be the jealous types who would rather be lazy and let things happen to them instead of taking action and accountability.

I don’t think it’s the infighting that makes the enterprise not accept Debian as much as others… I think that relates to available professional support, not having many options.

]]> By: trent http://ianmurdock.com/debian/dunc-tank-debian-and-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-825 trent Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:35:14 +0000 http://ianmurdock.com/?p=358#comment-825 Sadly, these people tend to drive people away from a project, until there's no one left to leave. Sadly, these people tend to drive people away from a project, until there’s no one left to leave.

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