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		<title>By: Levente</title>
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		<dc:creator>Levente</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody who dares to say that developing real, large, complex solutions with Visual Studio tools is a child&#039;s play, (s)he most certainly has never ever made anything bigger than a Hello World dialog in C++ or C#. That&#039;s not speculation, that&#039;s a fact. Most of bad applications come out of the hands of people who think they are professionals since they live in that &quot;child&#039;s play&quot; illusion, partly because Microsoft pushed in the joe6pack minds that application development is clickety-click.

Microsoft&#039;s developer tools are good, are even usable, most of the time. But that doesn&#039;t mean there aren&#039;t at least as good tools out there. Just to name a few of them, KDevelop3 and Eclipse are just simply great.

All in all, child&#039;s play... I call BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody who dares to say that developing real, large, complex solutions with Visual Studio tools is a child&#8217;s play, (s)he most certainly has never ever made anything bigger than a Hello World dialog in C++ or C#. That&#8217;s not speculation, that&#8217;s a fact. Most of bad applications come out of the hands of people who think they are professionals since they live in that &#8220;child&#8217;s play&#8221; illusion, partly because Microsoft pushed in the joe6pack minds that application development is clickety-click.</p>
<p>Microsoft&#8217;s developer tools are good, are even usable, most of the time. But that doesn&#8217;t mean there aren&#8217;t at least as good tools out there. Just to name a few of them, KDevelop3 and Eclipse are just simply great.</p>
<p>All in all, child&#8217;s play&#8230; I call BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Nur Hussein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nur Hussein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://opendocumentfellowship.org/Resources/DeveloperTools&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Some OpenDocument developer tools are listed here&lt;/a&gt;. Not a terribly long list, but hopefully growing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://opendocumentfellowship.org/Resources/DeveloperTools" rel="nofollow">Some OpenDocument developer tools are listed here</a>. Not a terribly long list, but hopefully growing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used Visual C++ for a number of years.  It was absolutely nothing like child&#039;s play. Unless you&#039;ve got one very persistant and mentally deranged child.  Most adult programmers take over five years to get a good handle on it.  

Maybe they were talking about their OTHER development tools.

I have a number of friends who develop Microsoft apps professionally. Once you get past the basic dialog and try to make an app, they tell me, it is everything but simple. 

So if I deny the premise, I suppose I can&#039;t assert the conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used Visual C++ for a number of years.  It was absolutely nothing like child&#8217;s play. Unless you&#8217;ve got one very persistant and mentally deranged child.  Most adult programmers take over five years to get a good handle on it.  </p>
<p>Maybe they were talking about their OTHER development tools.</p>
<p>I have a number of friends who develop Microsoft apps professionally. Once you get past the basic dialog and try to make an app, they tell me, it is everything but simple. </p>
<p>So if I deny the premise, I suppose I can&#8217;t assert the conclusion.</p>
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